I love investigating Domain Spying! I saw a case last night, and I think I need to publicly report what I am seeing so people know what is going on. I see these cases all week long. I am going to blank out any sensitive data from his email because he still wants to buy this domain and most likely will get it if he waits out the Domain Taster.
Domain Tasting in bulk can cause a lot of frustration for users that don’t understand the complexities of the system. I have even had a CEO of large registrar call me and ask about a domain he thought was being front run. I was able to troubleshoot the situation, and if people like that are confused I am sure the confusion is widespread.
I don’t believe any Registrars are spying on queries from people trying to register domain names and then registering the names themselves. However, Verisign and ISPs are selling Non-Existent domain DNS queries. So it is much safer to do a whois lookup than it is to type a domain directly into the address bar.
Here is the letter I received:
This evening, a very valuable domain name was stolen from me while I was in the process of purchasing and registering it.
The domain name is: D*******H*****.com.
I did the search for the availability of the domain name (D*******H*****.com) at GoDaddy.com
at approximately 10pm eastern time tonight (October 26, 2007) .
This is a typo domain of D*******H*****.com; and the keyword term “D******* H*****” is listed as receiving over 44,000 searches per month according to Overture. This typo domain name very likely has a fair market value of in excess of $5,000, possibly as high as $20,000 or more, depending on who does the appraisal.
This is extremely disturbing, to say the least.
The domain name showed as being available when I checked at GoDaddy.com
; however, by the time I went to purchase it–along with several other domain names–this one suddenly registered as “not available”. All the others, which were MUCH LESS valuable, were available.
I then immediately performed a WHOIS query on the domain, and the info indicated that the domain name was registered today/tonight–again, quite coincidentally, within a matter of minutes after it showed as being available.
“Coincidentally”, this domain name was BY FAR the most valuable one I was registering tonight, and is one of the more valuable domains among the over 1,000 domain names that I own.
The Sales and Support Rep from GoDaddy.com
that was assisting me in the purchase of my domain names this evening is Jared Donnellon. He was extremely helpful.
My local access ISP provider is CableVision, Optimum Online.
I have not initiated any correspondence to the thief/front runner. I will await feedback from you before I do anything like that.
Please advise me of my legal options in this situation, and how I can recover this highly valuable domain asset.
This is the first time that this has happened to me personally, however, I have colleagues who have large domain portfolios that have told me that this has happened to them so many times, it is out of control, and resulting in severe financial damage to them. I am also aware of your advisory report on Front Running.
I have blind copied some of the domain industry leaders and news sources here, as some have publicly expressed direct interest in this type of crime.
If you require any more information from me, please let me know and I will promptly respond. Thank you.
Below my name is the WHOIS information of the party who stole the domain name. I hope this email and the WHOIS information below is not considered to be anecdotal or incomplete.
Kind Regards,
*********
******
CC: President@GoDaddy.com–Can and SSAC-Fellow@ICANN.Org — Can you let me know any information or complaints that you have about the registrant listed below in the WHOIS data? Thank you.
PS–Here is the WHOIS information listed by the individual who stole this domain (D*******H*****.com):
Registrant:
Marketing Total S.A. (D*******H*****-COM-DOM)
P.O. Box 556
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My Response:
> *******,
> Thanks for the blind carbon copy. Using our database I can see that
> this domain has been domain tasted three times prior to this during
> 2007 – possibly more. This domain is being domain tasted right now. It
> appears GoDaddy’s domain checker is not real time. When you got to the
> checkout process at GoDaddy that is when they did a real check against
> the registry and that is why the domain appeared to be registered at
> that time. At some point today. I do not have access to run an EPP Info
> command right now or I might be able to tell you at what time they
> registered the domain before you. I think it may have been hours
> before you. I would recommend GoDaddy offer real-time checks rather
> then rely on zonefiles for checks. It has been a common practice to
> speed check against a local copy of the zone rather then checking the
> registry.
>
> DomainDoorman is a company that on the average day registers over
> 1,000,000 domains per day. The particular domain had been tasted on
> the 21st of this month as well. I would recommend waiting this one out
> and registering it when they ignore it. You have a 99.9% chance they
> will delete it with in 5 days. Do not click on anything on the page or
> even visit it. This would tip the company off that the domain is
> valuable. Check the whois at
>
> http://whois.domaintools.com/**************.com and we will record those
> records and preserve the history.
>
> Jay
I checked the EPP-Info information directly from Verisign the next morning (something only registrars have access to) and the domain had been registered at 4:00 AM on the morning of the 26th. More the 12 hours before registration attempt was attempted. I can see why people think Domain Front Running exists, but I have yet to see a case that I have not been able to explain. Perhaps it exists with some small no-name whois site but I have yet to find that site. I want to thank this person for providing so much information, it made it easy to track things down. I hear a lot of cases but they are normally not as well documented as this.
There are several things I would recommend the industry do to avoid these types of perception issues.
- Help get rid of Domain Tasting. It times up a lot of domains that users are not able to register.
- Fetch the creation time directly from Verisign and show it to users on this whois records IF the domain was registered within 5 days ago.
- Have Verisign show the time of day the domain was registered in the whois. Currently they only show the date publicly.
- Allow people to run real-time checks against the registry.
Next week they will be discussing a lot of these issues at the ICANN meeting in LA. I would suggest anyone interested to show up. ICANN meetings are free to attend and there are a lot of discussions like these ones but with a lot less facts.